Reply to “Comments on ‘Is Condensation-Induced Atmospheric Dynamics a New Theory of the Origin of the Winds?’”

A. Jaramillo Centro de Ciencias de la Atmósfera, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, Mexico City, Mexico

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D. J. Raymond Physics Department, New Mexico Tech, Socorro, New Mexico

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Abstract

We respond here to Makarieva et al.’s critique of Jaramillo et al., who showed that the concept of condensation-induced atmospheric dynamics (CIAD) violates Newton’s third law. We confirm here that their analysis is valid and that there is a contradiction in Makarieva et al.’s arguments. We also solve the paradox that CIAD can produce results consistent with observations despite being a flawed theory.

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Corresponding author: A. Jaramillo, ajaramillomoreno@gmail.com

The original article that was the subject of this comment/reply can be found at http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JAS-D-17-0293.1.

Abstract

We respond here to Makarieva et al.’s critique of Jaramillo et al., who showed that the concept of condensation-induced atmospheric dynamics (CIAD) violates Newton’s third law. We confirm here that their analysis is valid and that there is a contradiction in Makarieva et al.’s arguments. We also solve the paradox that CIAD can produce results consistent with observations despite being a flawed theory.

© 2019 American Meteorological Society. For information regarding reuse of this content and general copyright information, consult the AMS Copyright Policy (www.ametsoc.org/PUBSReuseLicenses).

Corresponding author: A. Jaramillo, ajaramillomoreno@gmail.com

The original article that was the subject of this comment/reply can be found at http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JAS-D-17-0293.1.

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